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Post by Chris Pederoso on Sept 20, 2009 16:58:50 GMT -4
When did I say that someone didn't put in effort? I said it to Ryan but he's my brother and he agreed.
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Post by Ryan Hughes on Sept 20, 2009 17:03:29 GMT -4
He's right. I did. Now can we all just let this thing go and get on with the show? I proclaim that we lock this thread.
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Post by Jake Diamond on Sept 20, 2009 17:52:07 GMT -4
The main point of this argument was how you judged based on effort. You said Ryan put in effort. True. However, if I may backtrack a bit... In reference to Dom not being put in: I don't base P10 on results, I base it on sheer effort In reference to Magnus and Hayden’s lack of positioning in relation to yours: Like I said, I base it on effort not results. I think I put a hell of alot more effort in my match than Tom-cat and magnus did in their's Now, that’s where you said the effort thing. It’s where this whole argument began since you insulted three people for simple lack of judgement. I’m not adding to the argument just retorting what I felt was a major slap in the face to the majority. I mean, it’s quite a feat in itself pissing Hayden off. NOW, I disagree with locking the thread. Now I think this can be kept friendly response thread noting some points and voicing comments like all work should be opened to if the open attacks remain halted. I propose we keep it that way. Mine was intended as constructive criticism and I hope you view it as such. It also gives Ped a chance to defend himself. Besides, this is one of the few open discussions this efed has had that has remained on track. You know I enjoy your work but I felt I’d openly voice my additional opinion to it as well. Yes I agree we should move on with our lives but hell, why lock something and pretend it never happened? It just pisses people off more. So, let's hope this discussion can CONTINUE to be about the Power 10 rankings. |
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Post by Vladimir Strife on Sept 20, 2009 18:34:41 GMT -4
i agree with Diamond on this. I understand what Chris was trying to do, but questioning somebodies effort is something that can come across as pretty insulting.
That being said.. could everyone cut him a little slack? I mean, this is his first top 10 on here and honestly, top 10's aren't a science. Give the man some feedback, but don't rip his head off. If he's doing something in the lists that people don't like, let him know and give him the chance to work out whatever kinks he might have in it. You don't pick something up and immediately do great at it. It takes some time to get used to it and figure out what works and what doesn't.
And everybody PLEASE lighten up a bit. I'm under the assumption we're all here to have fun, so let's do that. I don't think any of us are putting it time and effort to write up posts and promos for any reason other than wanting to do so and enjoying it, so let's unpucker those assholes and stop taking everything so seriously.
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Post by Chris Pederoso on Sept 20, 2009 18:48:44 GMT -4
That being said, I would like to apologize to those whom I have offended in the making of this.
This is my first P10 and I promise it will improve, but not if people just come in and flame fuck out of me. I mean, Blake V, what business do you have flaming me on this board, you've not competed for weeks and therefore this board didn't concern you.
Don't get so stressed about this, it doesn't make a difference to your lives in anyway does it? It's just a way of motivating those who feel like they're competing for nothing. This is just an extra thing people can aspire to be on, no one is guarenteed a spot.
Guys, please lighten up on this. I'm doing this in what little time I have, it's my contribution to the site. Sure, I don't agree with the results of the Ladder match (not the winner but Rob's interpretation of placings) but that's my opinion and there's no need to bring it onto the boards.
Guys, I will take all (constructive) advice on board and incorporate it into next weeks P10. In future, please don't flame me on here. If you think I'm a cunt, tell me on msn, keep it off the boards.
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Post by Demon on Sept 21, 2009 18:50:13 GMT -4
Ok, my turn.... Chris, I will offer you the CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM you crave. *rereads the P10 because he forgot it going through the LOLWORTHY argument that ensued after Chris's post* Alright, as far as your rankings go....they were decent. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, you could have put Dominik, Hayden, and a ton of others somewhere in there, but I'll let it slide seeing as this is your first attempt at a P10 here in EVPW. However, the one complaint that I have, and it's one that has been pretty much dropped - and I do hate to bring it up again (mainly because I have a feeling Chris will take it personally and flame me for it...  ) - is how high you placed yourself on the list. I'd say you deserved the 10 spot....9 at the highest. We could argue this for days, and I know that you would say it's your P10, you can do what you want. Now that leads me into my next point. As far as your basing rankings solely on the effort of the person....it's an interesting concept, but one that is inaccurate and can lead to arguments, which has already been pointed out. If I were the one doing this, and yes, I have done these kind of things before, I would go more on the same way the matches are judged. That is, basically what Jake said on the first page. I'm too lazy to reiterate, so just go and look if you want to know what it was. Also, you should factor in the wins/losses thing, if only slightly. Say, Jeff Young were to defeat somebody such as Czarina. Now, you may think that Czarina should have won, but that doesn't mean she should be above Jeff. In all honesty, these should be made so as they are basically an RP. THEY GO WITH THE STORYLINES AND RESULTS. And now to my final topic for now. The whole barbed wire ladder match. I don't see how you could think I didn't put forth that much effort. And as for some of these more comical aspects, if you are going to do one involving a wrestler, make it you. You do not know how somebody would make their character react to a situation, so you should not control them in such a manner. This would have avoided the whole Winthorp giggling after looking at Ray's crotch scenario. And as to who won the match....yes, Winthorp was the rightful winner. Some reasons that you and Czarina didn't come in as high as you thought you did (and yes, I am privy to this information, being a staff member) were the aforementioned giggling, and Czarina's highly unrealistic spots where she shoves a pogo stick into the ass of Winthorp, and then crushes Psycho Savage's nuts...just saying. Thank you all for reading and have a wonderful day. -Jason P. |
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Post by czarina on Sept 21, 2009 21:38:54 GMT -4
What the heck, Hardcore Angel? I give you props and put you as number 3 in this little "order" that MD talked about, yet you turn around and bash me. I never said I did better than you, I just gave the order in which I thought things went (Chris as winner, Winthorp 2nd, and you 3rd). And you know what, I look around here at some action posts from matches and see some pretty damn unrealistic stuff going on, yet I don't hear you bringing that up. This is the hypocrisy I was talking about right here. What is more unrealistic... a shooting star press from a leant ladder through an announce table or even a ladder being set ablaze with an opponenet at the very top of it (just 2 examples)...OR... (please don't get offended Vlad, you're a sick, crazy man and I LOVE it but) Vladimir drilling SCREWS through KB's jaw into his gums and stuff, or even Nicholas Carson doing that People's Penis thing AND actually winning the match?
This is a imaginary fed, where unrealistic things go on every other post lol "live rape" aired, etc, get my drift? So, don't be tossing the unrealistic thing at me just because you do not have enough imagination in your head to match it, which is contrary actually, because I have read your past work and see some unrealistic things myself... but I actually thought it was cool.
*pounds fist into the air definatly*
STOP THE HYPOCRISY!!!!!
EDIT: Stop clogging the board please. if you feel the need to gripe at me for anything that I have said, hit me up on MSN. My screen there is zipper2020@hotmail.com or PM me on this site.
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Post by M BISON on Sept 21, 2009 22:31:25 GMT -4
THERE IS NO HYPOCRISY. A lot of these things that were lauded that you talk about were BEFORE I judged. I DISLIKED the tooth drill in the Asylum Cage, I DISLIKED pogo stick sodomy, and I DISLIKED the People's Penis. HOWEVER, I only judged the first two of those matches. If I had my way, anyone with a gimmick that looks like it's ripped from an ICP song would lose 95% of their matches due to shitty attempts at being funny or shocking, but I can only judge my show.
You can't blame anything on hypocrisy when I've always gone by the same set of rules while judging.
P.S. If everyone would stop trying to rip off Vlad HURR DURR SINCE HE WAS UNDEFEATED FOR SO LONG and make their own gimmicks instead of trying to shock everyone (and for the record, I thought the rape segment was lolworthy), then we wouldn't have problems with "hypocrisy". The difference is between the original person with Vlad's gimmick (Vlad) and everyone who tries to copy him.
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Post by magnus on Sept 21, 2009 23:12:29 GMT -4
How did this turn into a thread about the poor judgment of the GM's? By the looks of it they are doing a GREAT job. I was expecting Kamil to win (almost) no matter what, because of the record he holds but the GM's don't allow that shit and make right decisions. There is no need to point out anything that was done in a match as far as unrealistic goes, I've read the rules,
"Be realistic to an extent"
If people want to be unrealistic let them. If the judges want to take points off for that, let them. I HIGHLY doubt that MD along with the other judges will let the match come down to ''who was the most realistic''
ITS A RPG! GAME is the key word here people, just have fun that's why I'm back... But all I've seen since rejoining is arguing.
BTW: I'm not telling who I was.
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Post by Blake Valediction // Man Ram on Sept 21, 2009 23:40:41 GMT -4
Alex, no one cares.
Czarnia, you make no sense.
Rob, I agree.
Chris, I had a match the week before FTA. I was left out of the card for no reason, and this week I have a match.
THA, I don't know.
Mike, I love you and I totally believe that drilling screws into someone's gums is real.
Tommy Riew, I fucking hate you, you cock eating bastard. You fucking disgust me, you obese cunt. Your life is not but a pure waste of sperm in the vagina of humanity. I honestly believe behind all the banners and the graphic artistry there is a man, a fat man. Who is fat. Fat as Mike Rosati, YEAH I SAID IT. You're a modest druggie, yes I did just call you Jeff Hardy you ugly fuck. And one more thing...
I love you.
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Post by M BISON on Sept 21, 2009 23:45:38 GMT -4
Alex Night made a good point. To elaborate, "be realistic to an extent" means that anything beyond what CZW would do is just ridiculous. I've seen feds where people fall off of 60-foot cages onto concrete and continue matches. That is not realistic. I didn't like the pogo stick stuff because it'd render Psycho Savage impotent for eternity. Guys, think about the spots you do before you do them.
Being realistic to an extent also means that just because a match is no DQ, you shouldn't immediately break out the weedwhackers and razorblades.
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Post by Demon on Sept 22, 2009 5:34:32 GMT -4
*breaks out the weedwhackers and razorblades*
Czarina, I really don't want to start a flame war with you. In all honesty, I respect you as an RPer, and think you could become one of the better ones here. HOWEVER, I merely pointed out something that I believed to be way more unrealistic than anything I have ever posted, and you take it as a personal attack?
I understand that this fed is not actually real. But you still have to give your matches some form of realism. Otherwise, people might think it is ok to ride out on a dragon or some shit.
Honestly, I was trying to help you grow as an RPer. If you put too many extremely unrealistic spots in your matches, you aren't going to win them. I realize you may not care about that, being as this isn't real. But, chances are you do care to an extent, being you RP every week you have a match.
I hope you don't take this as an attack.
-Jason P.
PS - If you can find a spot where I did something more unrealistic than the whole pogo spot, I'll gladly shut up and stop being a hypocrite.
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Post by champ on Oct 29, 2009 19:09:39 GMT -4
ALRIGHT FOr those who know me,its Nathan Drake. Now,for my input. Im not gonna say much because this thread is already long enough but say if you did your own Power 10 lke Ped did.You'd go by your own System,would you not? Usually,people give your comments or critisism,whichever they feel they lean more towards but this,this was blown out of proportion.it started with Ped now,Demon and Czarina are debating over real-ness.Here's an idea,lets keep the thread discussion,on its original topic and not stray off the beaten path. Rob,Fire Away. For those who do not know me.Hi.i'm Nathan Drake or Remmy Skye.you can call me Remmy.im returning and now,im done here.unless i need to post again. Peace.  |
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Post by magnus on Oct 29, 2009 21:16:06 GMT -4
>.>
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Post by MattOliveira on Oct 30, 2009 0:30:22 GMT -4
Meh, entire conflict was ended over a month ago, no worries.
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) - is how high you placed yourself on the list. I'd say you deserved the 10 spot....9 at the highest. We could argue this for days, and I know that you would say it's your P10, you can do what you want.
