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Post by M BISON on Sept 20, 2009 4:57:22 GMT -4
Very understandable and it IS a matter of taste. However, the trick is finding the balance between the two. I know that a lot of people see Vlad and try to emulate him, but it doesn't work, simply because it's been done and you can't catch lightning twice in the same bottle. A little bit of talking is okay, since that happens in matches on TV, but I personally take points off for huge fucking promos mid-match.
You have just insulted most of the people who we allow to judge on this site.
EDIT: P.S, there's also a reason that the people who judge on here are allowed to judge. I'm not gonna be all "RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH" here, but remember that by appointing judges, Vlad and KB have officially said "These guys know how to RP and can be trusted to judge correctly and fairly."
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Post by Vladimir Strife on Sept 20, 2009 5:05:56 GMT -4
In all honesty, there's good dialogue and bad in matches. If you use it, basically make sure of 3 things. 1. It's interesting enough to warrant throwing it in. 2. It's relevant enough to warrant throwing it in. 3. It does take the reader out of the match.
So, basically, I mean.. Someone isn't just going to randomly pick up the microphone to brag mid-match. If you are stopping the action to say something, it should be REALLY important, because you are, in essence, handicapping yourself to do it. You're giving your opponent valuable time to rest up, so the message should be worth doing so.
And by important, I mean it shouldn't just be "I want everyone here to watch now as I kick your ass". It should be part of a heated rivalry.
And remember that you are doing a match. Your opponent will rest up, they will get another wind, they will NOT wait for you to finish your poem before smashing your teeth out. So, be reasonable. The in match dialogue is a precious piece and should be used only when necessary and in rare instances. It's not an everymatch thing.
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Post by Chris Pederoso on Sept 20, 2009 6:23:39 GMT -4
Czarina, thanks for your kind words of defence. Guys, I'm sorry if you dissagree with my P10 but just the way it goes. Sure, retrospectively, I should have put Dom in there as his Entrance and RP's were both awesome so Dom, I'm sorry. As for results being a factor, it just isn't. The reason I posted yesterday was to prove that. This is my way of doing things ok. I based all of my results on effort and the amount of enjoyment I got from reading it. If Jeff Young, for instance, pulled off the match of his life against MD and pushed him to the finish, win or lose he'd be on P10. The reason TPK was'nt higher up on the ranking is because we all know what TPK can do when he is pushed and he just wasn't. No offence to Ivan or Jeff but TPK knew what he had to do to win. Also, hate to burst your bubble, but The Hardcore Angel and The Proeliator were 2nd and 3rd in the ladder match, respectively. Rob, me and you are good friends (digitally of course xD) but this is crazy. This has either come from favouritism or just plain stupidness. seriously, Winthorp aside as winner, me and Czarina posted some great stuff whereas Pennell and Pro were'nt as good. I'm not saying they were bad just not as good. At the end of the day guys, I'm doing this in my own time. I'm taking the time out to get it done for you, just lay off and quit with the flaming ok. |
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Post by czarina on Sept 20, 2009 6:28:19 GMT -4
Thank you, Vlad. That really cleared things up for me. I don't really use dialoge in my matches except for a "Hail Satan" somewhere in the middle of it but thats kinda like a trademark as Flair's "wooooooo". I was thinking you could use dialoge in alot of matches, or any match, so thanks for your two cents.
As for the others... there are two words out there you guys need to learn... "Constructive Criticism"... something most of you have not shown The Pedster. No need to smash mouth him or shot gun blast him on his first episode.
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Post by Ryan Hughes on Sept 20, 2009 6:49:40 GMT -4
Anyways, in my defense of my position on his top 10, I think I deserve that spot (or at least number 10) due to the Winthorp/Czarina thing that has been going on and how I incorporated it into my RP's as well as everything else I put in there. And whoever said that it was Winthorp as the winner followed by hardcore angel and The Proeilator respectively...is confused or stupid. It should have been Chris Pederoso as the winner actually, because he frankly schooled us all...followed by Winthorp and Hardcore Angel. I am basing this on what several of the top RP'ers around here, whom some hold judging powers, have told me in chats and PM's about what judges look for and etc. Am I missing something here? Is there a wall between what people have been telling me and the people who judge matches? PS- If Chris did the top ten on WINS alone like someone said, then people like me and other decent RP'ers who do put in good efforts and test veterans, would never get a spot on there. Let the down trodden rule once in awhile, sheesh. HAVE I EVER TOLD YOU I LOVE YOU, CZARINA? Now. I am not saying his as an act of bro-mance or anything like that, I am doing this off my own back. First of all, IT IS NOT OUR POWER 5. IT IS CHRIS'. If you don't like it, go to Russia.To be quite honest, I don't think I would be on the P10 if I hadn't won the TV title, because IMO, me and Matt weren't at our best. Before this whole "LET'S KILL PEDERSOSO HURR DURR" saga began, he told me the reason I was on the list. I quote: "You did some good promos like the Batmanites one and the one with Vorty. You won a title match. The reason you weren't in the top five was your match was kinda crappy IMO" I think that says it all. No can we please so being SO FUCKING BUTTHURT? Thank you. |
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Post by Vladimir Strife on Sept 20, 2009 8:49:48 GMT -4
I do like his method of doing the top 10, actually. It makes sense to go by progress rather than overall standing. I mean, Top 10 goes for the week and it'd make sense that if someone really shines out for themselves (say a low carder with a bad streak beating a champion) that they should rank higher on the week's list than say someone like myself just racking up another normal win. That and it makes everybody have to work a bit harder to climb that ladder and everyone can use a little motivation from time to time.
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Post by Winthorp Darkrites on Sept 20, 2009 9:00:03 GMT -4
No offence, but I lol'd pretty hard at that statement.
Now, I'm not a big city lawyer *crowd gasp*, yes, it's quite hard to believe.. But I can honestly say that a statement like that should be stricken from the records. Mr. Pennell and Mr. Proeliator deserve their spots as 2nd and 3rd respectively as they are quite capable of writing out some damn good RP's with very good "spots", whereas all I read in previous RP's was fail attempts at cracking a gay joke (Once again, no offence to the other competitors in the same match. But poor Ray White. SAD FACE)
So yeah, call me pretty fucking late, but I just had to add this in just for the fact that I find it lulzworthy.
ITALIAN GOTH AWAY. *Walks off stage*
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Post by czarina on Sept 20, 2009 9:10:30 GMT -4
Negative, they do not. More than myself and Chris agree on that. But to each their own.
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Post by Winthorp Darkrites on Sept 20, 2009 9:16:30 GMT -4
In the end, it depends on what the judges say. So really, Rob is apart of the deciding factor. Which ended with:
Winner: Winthorp Darkrites
2nd Place: The Hardcore Angel
3rd Place: The Proeliator
Bolded for effect.
/Discussion.
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Post by czarina on Sept 20, 2009 9:37:10 GMT -4
Exactly, it was ONE MAN's (Rob's) words, not a entire panel. All I was doing is agreeing with Chris' assesment of who should've came in 2nd and 3rd (apparently we are giving out 2nd and 3rd place awards now). Also, Despy, being a normal judge himself had the winner being Winthorp, with 2nd going to me, which I am flattered by the way, and so on.
Also, if you are one to discount people on RP's simply by gay jokes being written for a commentator that is gay and who has been around for years (hence the fail-ability of just about ANY gay related things we have him say now) then I hope you never are given power to judge a match, or at least none of mine.
It all falls back on one man's words. Rob felt it one way, so be it. I, along with others, felt it was different. Regardless, most agree you won, well all do lol, except me, who thinks Chris won.
That is all. Court is now adjourned.
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Post by Winthorp Darkrites on Sept 20, 2009 9:47:03 GMT -4
BAHAHAHAHA... wait.. hahaha..*more irrelevant chuckling*
No, I don't discount anyone's RP's just for the fact that they have written fail gay-jokes for Ray White. Just noting the fail humor (P.S Winthorp would never giggle after staring at Ray White's crotch. I'M LOOKING AT YOU PED, SAD FACE TIME). But there are just about a few retarded things that are frowned upon, such as the incestual molestation crack made in the Barbed Wire Ladder match.
But yes, I might be a professional drug dealer that sells heroin to little orphans *MOAR CROWD GASP*.. yes, I know it's quite hard to believe again, but I still believe i'm ranked third on the Power 10. Therefore, WINTHORP IS A COOL GUY.
/Post
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Post by hancocker on Sept 20, 2009 10:22:15 GMT -4
Maybe if 2 of the people in the match who know who they are didn't spend all their time writing mass quantities of improperly used grammar and hard to read (not because of vocabulary) paragraphs, they might not have been passed over for the match.
QUALITY >>>> QUANTITY.
Go to UWA if you want a 60k shitfest
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Post by Darnez FC on Sept 20, 2009 10:27:47 GMT -4
Guys guys guys guys GUYS!
The only thing that is important here is the fact that...
...I GOT SECOND YAYZ! ;D
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Post by brianbrooks on Sept 20, 2009 11:45:16 GMT -4
Ok come on guys this is getting out of hand Ped it was a good attempt man for sure just next time take the actuall CONSTRUTIVE CRITSISM that a few us left for you and pay no mind to the ones that just wanted to jump down your throat....and its tru this is Chris' P10 so they are all his decisions and what may have been a better read for him may not be the same way another person sees the match
AND Czarina I'm sorry I know you guys think that you did really well in that match and you did but i would go with Rob's decision I think he had the resaults bang on the money Darkrites most deffinatly blew you all out the water.... and Please dont take this as im trying to flame you cuz that is not the case Czarina you are a good rper along with Chris but you dont realize that yes your rps have long drawn out paragraphs and what not....I know I do it in every match and while it is not a good or bad thing it will help determine the winner of a match which is why you nor Chris did as well as you both felt you should have
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Post by Jake Diamond on Sept 20, 2009 16:12:32 GMT -4
A few things that should be noted:
A) It's Pederoso's power list. Technically it's his opinion. Yet, that being said, he should think outside the box on a few decisions. I, for one, feel the "effort" alone judging is immeasurable and a slightly ridiculous way to go. My suggestion; expand the qualifications needed to avoid further fed-wide anger assaults. It pisses off a whole lot of people when you challenged who they are as an actual person behind the screen (IE. You didn't put in that much effort). I feel that's where you struck a nerve. Personally, it was a good first edition but just needed more elaboration behind placing rather than effort alone. I'm not saying use the results but expanding the horizon a bit. Now, this is just what I feel would make it better and it's up to you if you'd like to use it or not.
B) I believe it's been said before but yes, a quality match does not have a loaded amount of vocabulary. I've spoken to you before on this Czarina. I believe Vlad said it best with his explanation on this. If you'd like to discuss more on this and other matters that need clarification then send me a PM, I'll gladly help where I can, so we can avoid other turmoil.
C) Challenging the staff is highly inadvisable. There are distinct technical clarifications in judging a match that all the judges and GMs go through in deciding the proper victors. It should be noted not all the blame be put on Rob. I know for a fact that when he makes a decision he talks to others to confirm that his decision is correct. If you don't support the decision (even if it's not your match) I'm sure Rob himself would be glad to explain to you why he made that decision if you asked nicely instead of flaming on the boards. In fact, you could probably talk to the majority of staff to help you out with that and tell you why that decision was reached. The point is, Rob does what he does for a reason; he's highly qualified and skilled on that aspect and more often than not his decisions are the right ones. Everyone on this site does what they do for a reason.
Now, if there's no more points that need to be addressed I'd like to carry on with my life and post some promos.
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