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Post by Chris Pederoso on Sept 19, 2009 14:06:30 GMT -4
Hey Ya’ll. Welcome to Valenica’s Power 10. In the first ever edition we bring you the top ten wrestlers from what could be EVPW’s biggest pay-per-view to date. Without further ado, let’s get on with it……::10:: Chris Pyro
Last but not least we have Chris Pyro, coming in at number 10. Pyro took on his former tag partner, Brian Brooks and gave us a solid performance. Pyro once again showing us that he should be challenging for the Imperial title.
::9:: Czarina
The Satan worshipping Czarina gave us her all in her first big dance at From The Ashes. Out of the six combatants in the ladder match, she was the only women and gave us a manly performance. Do girls do it better?
::8:: The Psycho Kid
TPK battles his way to number eight this week with his latest win. He took on two up and comers in Ivan Archer and Jeff Young who both gave solid performances. The veteran showing us again that he is a force to be reckoned with.
::7:: Chris Pederoso
My man makes it to number seven this week, giving us an amazing show at From The Ashes. Although unsuccessful, he gave us his best performance to date, putting his body (and mine) on the line. We should see big things for the Cerebral Spaniard.
::6:: Ryan Hughes
The Batman continues his streak as TV Champion, beating the hungry youngster Matt Turnbull. Ryan gets himself a solid position on the Power 10 but how much longer will he remain there? He must go to WNG to face Blake Valediction with his title on the line.
::5:: Hayden HardKore
Hayden put in a match winning performance but unfortunately came up short to the new Imperial Champion James Daniels. Still, he put up one hell of a fight and I personally can’t wait to see the rematch.
::4:: Stone Orchard
[I’ll edit after the result is announced.]
::3:: Winthorp Darkrites
Winthorp overcame five combatants in the best match we have seen since Abbadon’s Pit. The six man ladder match was a career shortening yet legend making match and the Italian Goth just cemented his place in EVPW history. Who will he choose to face with his title shot guaranteed?
::2:: Darnez FC
One of two new champions on EVPW, Darnez gave us his all in an epic match. Easily his best performance to date overcoming the formally undefeated, Kamil Fathi. The new Dragon Rage champion has now got to look forward to title defences left, right and centre.
\\::1::// JAMES DANIELS
James Daniels makes it to number 1 on the first ever edition of Valenica’s Power 10. What a match we saw from Daniels as he battled the veteran HardKore. There could only be one winner and only one new EVPW Imperial Champion. He is now a target on WNG, how long can he survive? See ya’ll next time.Any comments/queries welcome.
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Post by Ryan Hughes on Sept 19, 2009 14:42:56 GMT -4
FUCK. EVEN IN EVPW I AM LEFT JUST OUTSIDE THE TOP FIVE. IMMA SET CHRIS BROWN ON YOUR WHITE ASS.
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Post by Desperado on Sept 19, 2009 15:15:02 GMT -4
"What about Dom? What about Santiago?"
Otherwise, Nice P10!
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Post by Chris Pederoso on Sept 19, 2009 16:54:48 GMT -4
I don't base P10 on results, I base it on sheer effort
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Post by Desperado on Sept 19, 2009 17:35:55 GMT -4
Erm ... Dom did put in a lot of effort. Two brilliant match posts as well as a cool entrance with a message for the opponent.
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Post by tbd on Sept 19, 2009 17:46:53 GMT -4
There is a lot of things wrong with this Power 10, for one you put yourself before most people who actually put forth a lot of effort. Some people who aren't even on the Power 10 put forth more effort than you did. Example: Magnus Gunner and Thomas Cathy, Dominik Santiago, and The Proeliator. Secondly, you put Stone Orchard up in the ranks without even knowing the results first. For all you know there could be NEW tag team champions who aren't even featured in the Power 10 and their opponents who are the losers are one of the top dogs. That's just a scenario, but you see where I'm getting at.
I give this Power 10 a 3/10. Try and think logically about it all before doing it.
~TBD
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Post by Chris Pederoso on Sept 19, 2009 17:55:20 GMT -4
Ok ROB
Like I said, I base it on effort not results.
I think I put a hell of alot more effort in my match than Tom-cat and magnus did in their's (Hayden was obviously pre-occupied). What is the point in me doing Power 10 if I'm banned from putting my character in it. If I do some good posts in a match and they are better than others then I think I deserve a spot. I'm not even in the top five so whats the problem?
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Post by M BISON on Sept 19, 2009 18:25:35 GMT -4
That's not me, dipshit.
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Post by tbd on Sept 19, 2009 18:41:52 GMT -4
Chris, I am not Rob. I think you could do a better job on the Power 10 all together. Now let's leave it at that. I have my own opinion, you have yours.
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Post by Jake Diamond on Sept 19, 2009 19:18:21 GMT -4
Now... If I may...
I believe the Power 10 should be rewarded on three aspects: quality of RP, innovation and originality, and then entertainment of posts themself.
Grading someone on their apparent or unapparent effort is slightly ridiculous. I mean, you could have (And I'm going strictly on hypothetical here) Vladimir vs. Arbaz. Now, Arbaz could put in a ton of effort into the match yet still have lackluster posts, unoriginal responses and all with grammatical and spelling errors. Vlad, on the other hand, may not put in his top effort yet still have higher quality and what not. Based on that alone would make it irrelevant for Arbaz to rank higher on the power list since Vlad would clearly win. I would assume Arbaz would rank since he took on such a stellar RPer in a stellar effort. Yet, all this would be a mere moot point.
It was a good Power 10. Yet, I believe you should have a lot higher of standards and qualifications than mere "effort". It's a difficult thing to grade on. Which is why most RPs aren't exactly awarded on "effort" yet, instead, on my above said statistics.
Also, from facing Dominik before myself, I know every single one of his posts puts in more effort than anyone and is probably one of the more underrated guys on here when it comes down to it. Now, not to say no one on here doesn't deserve their designated rankings, but I saw some up there who did not even remotely deserve their rankings.
I'm not harping or telling you how to do your job but I believe if you want to avoid any further flak from other members and have a higher quality power rankings then expand your decision on more than effort alone.
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Post by brianbrooks on Sept 19, 2009 21:10:43 GMT -4
It was a nice attempt but Jake says it all....But hey its just some advice for the next one .... Me personally the last 4 people on the list prolly wouldnt have been on it or in a different slot if I was doing it as I felt there were some better performances done by others but thats just my opinion....again good job and just try and broden your horizons for the next one my friend
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Post by Dominik Santiago on Sept 19, 2009 22:36:44 GMT -4
"AND TODAYS WINNER OF THE BUCKET OF FAIL...CHRIS PEDEROSO! Dom, why don't you tell us why!"
Certainly.
For starters folks, I don't really understand how an edition of Power 10 was even made, simply because Chris didn't gain all the results from the From The Ashes matches. This in itself is a problem, because he couldn't really take into account where the proper, logical placings of the superstars or teams are. How can Stone Orchard be ranked third, when they're match has not even been called. In that case, where is THE FAMILY?
Secondly ladies and gentlemen, what is effort? Basing Power 10 on effort is both preposterous and impossible. You absolutely cannot base someone off of effort, Jake Diamond explained it perfectly. E.G., If I post a 5k post of excellence, like with impressive grammar, it's entertaining and gripping, the whole 9 yards, and my opponent posts 30k of bullshit, with grammatical errors, and long, drawn out speech parts with like a paragraph of action, how could you determine who won the match? Heck, I may have worked on my piece for 5 mins, him for a whole week, so how could you determine the level of effort! That's almost as bad as Tony judging matches based on length and not quality, oh wait he did!
Furthermore, how can you say you put more effort in your match than Magnus and Tom-Cat (Hayden). If I recall, Hayden posted twice, so did Metal Dragon. Magnus posted once, so did Matthew, yet they got a ranking and once again, the FAMILY didn't. So if The Family wins, and they didn't put a lot of effort, what does that make Stone Orchard, pansies, overrated, which they aren't. But according to your logic, if they're effort was high and good enough to get them into top 3, and the Tom Cat and Gunner effort level was lackluster but they beat them, surely Stone Orchard isn't that spectacular!
And in your case, who's to say your posts were as good as you perceive them to be?
For my next part folks, being as though I was a damn good Power 10-20 guy, as far as I'm concerned, the rankings are based off of WINS! How can you have ranked yourself even as high as 7, when TPK got a victory against two other rpers, and you lost your match? Hayden gets number 5, not to take anything away from him, but lost, while Ryan Hughes gets what 6, for having a damn good match, and won. If losers get it this good, I'm going to drop the Solid Core Championship and just lie down every time Dom comes out to the ring! And, how you didn't rank me was also odd, and I'm not blowing my own horn. I not only won a championship, I WON THE DAMN MATCH, and I was also feuding with Campton at the time.
In essence, I don't think a Power 10 should have even been created yet, basically because you haven't gotten all the results.
SAD FACE PEDEROSO, SAD FACE!
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Post by M BISON on Sept 19, 2009 23:00:09 GMT -4
Agreed with every word Lawrence just said. Dominik Santiago should be AT LEAST sixth. Also, hate to burst your bubble, but The Hardcore Angel and The Proeliator were 2nd and 3rd in the ladder match, respectively. Quantity means nothing; just ask Nick Carson.
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Post by Tamatoa Harikoa on Sept 20, 2009 0:28:35 GMT -4
I don't bitch at people very often Chris, but I really hate it when people assume something about others without knowing the facts. Personally, I think the whole power 10 idea is kinda stupid on an E-Fed, because of reasons as seen above... All it does is create arguments when people who deserve to be put up are left off.
Simple facts: - Results NEED to factor into your basis. Why do you think they have a panel of judges to decide who won in the first place? Do you really not think that they factor effort into their decisions? Take Despy for instance, he won that match because he was better than me on the day, not because he put more effort in... Effort is unmeasureable, and therefore cannot be used to measure who places where on your Power 10. - I was not pre-occupied, I poured every single spare second I had (and quite afew work seconds too) into my two matches. - People should never be punished on here for the fact that they have a job and a real life. - Try posting against Stone Orchard and Desperado in the same night, putting up a good effort of it... Then you can tell me that I have or have not put my top effort in.
Just a suggestion, could the Power 10 be done by a collective, not a singular person, that might silve some arguments... Or done by the GM's? Then they could give reasoning behind their decisions based on evidence from matches, not just a gut feeling.
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Post by czarina on Sept 20, 2009 4:11:50 GMT -4
Ok, harsh! You people need to quit being so butt hurt. leave poor Chris alone, he is doing a good job IMHO. Sure, he may have messed up a little on his first episode on this, but it doesn't warrant such a thrashing. Guess what, this is HIS Power 10, not mine, not yours. I think what Chris meant, or was leaning towards was over all effort. As in not just effort in the matches, or the amount of "K's" posted, but also the lead up to it. Whoever "hinted" that Pyro didn't belong on it (on MSN), is a idiot. Pyro not only put good effort into his match at FTA in the form of match RP's, he also did a damn good job with the promo's between he and Brian (who also should have been put on there) that were posted, in some cases, as the match was on going. And I think that is where there is confusion. I think Chris meant effort in match Rp's as well as developments and promo's, etc. Also, I think another prob is we have too many good rp'ers that competed at FTA and not enough slots.
Yes, some people such as Dom and others that were mentioned, should have been tossed in there. Honestly, I would have stretched it to a special top 15 instead of 10 for this week, and would not have put myself on it unless I had won a title or won a match in a long on going feud. Also, I see alot of BS hypocrite crap going on this thread. People talking about "Oh, you shouldn't have dialoge with only a paragraph of action in it" need to re-adjust things or make up a better standard of judging, because I have seen some past RP's of the best around here like Vlad, Nicholas Carson, and others and guess what I saw in a majority of their matches... DIALOGE....TALKING... For me, personally, if I am reading a match and it is basically one of those "DDT then drop kick then samoan drop..tbc" types, I lose interest as a reader. The way it was explained to me by Jake, Tom Cathy, Nicholas, and several others that have been around here past and present is totally different than what some of you are saying and going about doing things.
Anyways, in my defense of my position on his top 10, I think I deserve that spot (or at least number 10) due to the Winthorp/Czarina thing that has been going on and how I incorporated it into my RP's as well as everything else I put in there. And whoever said that it was Winthorp as the winner followed by hardcore angel and The Proeilator respectively...is confused or stupid. It should have been Chris Pederoso as the winner actually, because he frankly schooled us all...followed by Winthorp and Hardcore Angel. I am basing this on what several of the top RP'ers around here, whom some hold judging powers, have told me in chats and PM's about what judges look for and etc. Am I missing something here? Is there a wall between what people have been telling me and the people who judge matches?
PS- If Chris did the top ten on WINS alone like someone said, then people like me and other decent RP'ers who do put in good efforts and test veterans, would never get a spot on there. Let the down trodden rule once in awhile, sheesh.
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