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Post by Vladimir Strife on Mar 22, 2015 1:04:35 GMT -4
Alright, guys, so we need to face the facts here.. this isn't working. We had a strong showing at first, but matches are going without posts, most with are pushed with extensions, and it's just sluggish in general.
EVPW's greatest strength has always been that we have had an extremely dedicated and loyal base. In some ways, this has also become our biggest weakness. We are getting older. Real life cuts significantly upon the time we once put into this hobby. Jobs, children, relationships. We must accept that things simply can not be as they were, nor would any of us desire to sacrifice from our personal lives in order to make it that way.
Now, we could simply say that this has failed and move on with our lives, peter out to the few other feds that exist with similar styles to ours, but I think there lies another solution. I believe EVPW needs to adapt to these circumstances and I believe we do this best by making it so that we have more time to piece together things, to create a little time in order to post and work on matters.
What I'm proposing is that we extend our shows. Our one week WNG would become two weeks. PPV's would become three weeks. To adjust for the schedule, we'd cut out two, running 4 shows, one per quarters and 5 two-week Genesis's between them. We would double our Double-Post policy to allot 72 hours to opponents to post before a Double-Post is allowed.
I know this may seem a bit strange at first, as many changes do, but I do believe this is the best way to maintain our little slice of bloody, violent, heaven we've carved out for ourselves here without asking that people take a hit to their real life in order to participate in a match.
Given this will be a huge change for us, should you members be in favor of it, I'm going to go ahead and push FTA back a week, but there will be no WNG either. This is simply one week of rest for us so everyone can get in on this discussion and we can determine together how EVPW will continue forward from here out.
I considered putting a vote up on this, but it's far too easy to simply push a button and move along. I'm genuinely interested in hearing your opinions upon the matter so we can make the move that is best for all of us.
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Post by Chris Pyro on Mar 22, 2015 2:10:31 GMT -4
I like this idea. It creates a lot less pressure to get posts up, and may allow for better posts in general
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Post by Desperado on Mar 22, 2015 4:44:52 GMT -4
I reckon a whole 7 days is plenty of time to get a post in. I just think it is a lack of dedication and commitment. Yes, sometimes shit happens and we can't get a post in but otherwise it pretty easy writing a post within a week. It takes what 30-60 mins?
That's my opinion on the matter anyway. I think a week for matches and a week for promo's and story-building could work out... Gives plenty of time for extensions as well.
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Post by Kasabian Stalker on Mar 22, 2015 5:17:26 GMT -4
That is similar to the format we talked about a wee while back. You know I am 100% behind this idea Mike.
I struggle to get a decent match in over a week. Particularly because to give it a proper effort I like to write more than one post - build the match over time. An extra week will allow more time to do that.
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Post by Howard Bernstein on Mar 22, 2015 14:54:40 GMT -4
Worst case scenario the site goes down the path it already looks to be going.
Best case scenario the place picks up again from more intriguing content.
Let's be real here though.. It's not as though efedding is where it once was. It's difficult to get new, committed RPers in and, for lack of a better term, it's become a bit of the old boy's club. There are other options, of course. Perhaps the format to keep those who show up for an event or two then get discouraged could take an adjustment? Perhaps we really go grassroots and make it "event based" in a PWG and CHIKARA vein and less of the typical weekly, biweekly, triweekly model that we've become accustomed to?
Simply ideas. I'm not sure myself. But they exist nonetheless.
So many of us when we started it became a "who you know" system. We had time to go to a number of different efeds and share members and grow those communities. It's big reason there's such a connections between SCW, GHW, ASWF, and EVPW (amongst other locations). Now that many don't have time or the effort to do that we need to look at other options. Maybe having a small, dedicated roster with less work to put in could payoff. Maybe active recruiting and begin to shape the place for the newcomers is the option.
To summarize I think it's a fair deduction for this, especially for those of you who actively RP. However I feel as though it may be more of treating the symptom instead of the disease.
Just my two cents.
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Post by Ciles Gorey on Mar 22, 2015 16:33:37 GMT -4
Worst case scenario the site goes down the path it already looks to be going. Best case scenario the place picks up again from more intriguing content. Let's be real here though.. It's not as though efedding is where it once was. It's difficult to get new, committed RPers in and, for lack of a better term, it's become a bit of the old boy's club. There are other options, of course. Perhaps the format to keep those who show up for an event or two then get discouraged could take an adjustment? Perhaps we really go grassroots and make it "event based" in a PWG and CHIKARA vein and less of the typical weekly, biweekly, triweekly model that we've become accustomed to? Simply ideas. I'm not sure myself. But they exist nonetheless. So many of us when we started it became a "who you know" system. We had time to go to a number of different efeds and share members and grow those communities. It's big reason there's such a connections between SCW, GHW, ASWF, and EVPW (amongst other locations). Now that many don't have time or the effort to do that we need to look at other options. Maybe having a small, dedicated roster with less work to put in could payoff. Maybe active recruiting and begin to shape the place for the newcomers is the option. To summarize I think it's a fair deduction for this, especially for those of you who actively RP. However I feel as though it may be more of treating the symptom instead of the disease. Just my two cents. This. It's difficult to get new people to sign up to efeds nowadays as it just isn't something people do any more. People make leagues on WWE games and whatnot now so most efedders tend to have been around the block a few times. I think having a more indy feel of events rather than regular scheduling could be beneficial too. If we only use events it could give themes and allow better match posts. If each RPer can get two posts in per week then (or one a week depending on length of event) then some better, more complex matches can come about and people can get more involved. Unfortunately though, I don't think anyone really has the time to dedicate to EVPW like everyone once did and so it isn't going to thrive as it did in the past. |
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Post by Ryan Hughes on Mar 23, 2015 14:54:13 GMT -4
I know I'm not the best person to add my input here, but I think something like what Bernstein and Meth mentioned - event based shows - could do wonders. One of the reasons I can't commit to fedding like I used to is because put simply, we're all hitting real life. Some of us can't commit to weekly matches and feud building to the standard we set ourselves, and it can slip in to "chore" territory.
Monthly events can be a great thing. There can be themes, there can be feuds that span a few months, and most importantly theres more freedom for people who struggle to commit as much time as they used to. Of course people can still write promos, interviews and out-of-the-ring shenanigans to their hearts content. There would be something for everyone, and a much smaller chance of burnout.
We're all creative people, we all like to write and there's been a good thing going here for years. Maybe adapting can keep this community going - you never know, it could even thrive. It's Mania season!
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Post by Vladimir Strife on Mar 23, 2015 20:55:19 GMT -4
I hate to say it, but I think you're all right. I think it may be best that we shift to one show a month.
Also, fuck off with that not being the best person to provide input shit. You made GHW great again after the big war and had a ton of great matches in both companies. You're more than qualified to brainstorm what would could help.
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Post by Howard Bernstein on Mar 24, 2015 3:35:49 GMT -4
To be honest I think this could wind up being more beneficial than the previous model... Hughes and Meth pretty well covered everything eloquently but I think if we do this we can look at three primary objectives to achieve:
1) More characters.
What I mean by this is our more dedicated RPers, those who are looking to continue a weekly basis, would be able to bring in some more characters to fill the card. Doing double or triple duty over a month is more reasonable instead of over a weekly or biweekly condition. This really interests me with guys like Pyro, Hawkeye, and TPK who are already active and have a treasure chest full of characters and seeing what they can bring. By diluting your own character list you also give yourself the ability to help build the newcomers which leads me to...
2) New RPer development.
To be blunt a lot of you are ruthless. Myself included. A lot of it has to do with the time you invest in your main character and to take a loss is pretty difficult which makes it hard for new RPers to keep up. I imagine it gets discouraging to either go up against a seasoned vet and losing often, winning by no show, or going against another new guy who doesn't show either. With new characters it can allow some of you to work with those newbies in a way that won't take a hit on all the previous effort you've made over the years. I picture it like having characters in an Easy, Normal, then Hard mode. We've frustrated a good number of young guys who came in because they lost matches they thought they should've won or going against main competition they're destined to lose to anyway. Who knows. Could be I think little of most of us, could be I'm trying to reach these kids.
3) Higher quality content.
Given a 36-72 hour window it's difficult to go the quality over quantity route. I know if I have time to pre-write my ideas and then work off them that's usually my best stuff. If I word vomit out whatever an hour before deadline then it's basically garbage. Consider you had time to work out spots with your opponent or dedicate yourself to a three month long feud spanning three matches instead of being worried about getting in an unrelated weekly match post. Besides, I'm not sure I ever gave a shit about a weekly match I was involved in anyway.
Anyway, it's just fuel to the fire. I would actually like to see if anyone has any arguments against and see how we can work with those issues. It would be a dramatic change after all and nothing's perfect. Ultimately it's in their court.
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Post by Hawkeye on Mar 25, 2015 10:42:37 GMT -4
hahaha, thats the reason I only have one superstar who ever hit legend status....trying to play to many characters is murder as it can delute the importance of building up another. Though if there is going to be a new format for stuff then I am full whatever keeps this fed open. my job is so unpredictable with the hours I work as a truck driver, part time soldier, and family man. I really had high hopes to have Syn try and leave a legacy like Hawkeye but dont see that happening lol. But doing something with one event a month would semi make it easier to play more then one character. Heaven only knows I still need to figure out how I wanted to use the Shinzin Hit Squad as the orginal idea I had didnt seem to fit lol.
tablet typing is such a pain in the arse, but sounds like a good plan.
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Post by Vladimir Strife on Mar 27, 2015 16:52:59 GMT -4
So two week long shows once a month?
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Post by Slut (✿ ◕‿◕) on Mar 27, 2015 21:58:19 GMT -4
IF ITS ONCE A MONTH MAKE IT THREE WEEKS! NO FUCKING WORD LIMITATIONS NO STUPID FUCKING RULES!
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Post by Howard Bernstein on Mar 28, 2015 17:34:55 GMT -4
IF ITS ONCE A MONTH MAKE IT THREE WEEKS! I'd be in favour of this. More time to get some posts in. |
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Post by Vladimir Strife on Mar 29, 2015 16:12:25 GMT -4
Sounds good to me then. I'll post up the card tomorrow and do results then. Between the NCAA tourney, Wrestlemania, and The Walking Dead season finale, no one's giving a fuck about this tonight anyhow, lol. Also, I'm seeing my one son now for the first time since June, so I can't really give one now either.
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Post by Sasquatch on Apr 11, 2015 7:01:52 GMT -4
I know I'm late to the party here but if it's going to be one event a month, I think more posters, myself included would be active enough to put on some cool shit.
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